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Patience, Calm, and Meaning in a Challenging Astral Experience

Experience submitted by Dimi

Since discovering Belsebuub’s courses and books more than 10 years ago, I have been putting efforts into gaining more self knowledge; learning and understanding about my own inner nature, how my perspective and my judgment can be clouded by thoughts, emotions and inner drives that seem to be so much a part of me. I do my best to use the astral and daily life to learn more about myself in this way.

One recent experience had an impact on me, for many reasons (which are difficult to explain). The experience provided me with information about what I needed to do or keep focusing on, in order to continue to get more insights and understanding about myself. The experience took place in the astral.

Coming out of My Body

I had consciously split (I recognized the sensation) but I found it hard to come out of my body. I usually float up or out very easily, but not this time. I grabbed onto the edge of my bed so that I could roll out instead (I’ve had to do this on the odd occasion). I managed to sit up on the edge of my bed. I felt this heaviness in the air; it caught my attention. I did not sense any negative beings or sinister energy lurking about (as I am familiar with these too) so I kept a clear and relaxed mind to not hinder or shorten the experience by ending up back in my body.

Exploring the Room

I looked behind me, over my left shoulder to see my physical body lying there, sleeping. I looked to my side to see my bedside table with my dream journal opened to a blank page. I continued to look in front of me, at the wall with the picture frame, I turned towards my right to look at the door of my room, and further on, at the wall opposite my bed where there was furniture. It all looked to be the same as it is in the physical. I sat asking for guidance and help from my Divine Mother, I waited patiently for a response. There are times when I will be taken somewhere, either flying through the air or down through the earth. This time, nothing happened.

I could feel the dullness of night in the air, like you would if you were to wake up before daybreak. The room was dimly lit but I could still see details. There are times when a light is shining through or a different kind of brightness exists, but not this time. It was simply the dullness of night as though no moon was shining.


Surrounded by Heaviness and Disorder

I got the sense to stand up, to walk around, but this heaviness in the air continued. I have not had this feeling often but recognized it to mean that I have to be careful, to keep my mind clear otherwise I would end up returning physically to my body. I had to grab onto the edge of my bed with one hand and reach out to touch the wall with my other hand, so that I could make my way around. I continued to make my way around the room, towards the study area.

I continued to grab onto the rail of my bed as I walked on. I could hear a musical tune coming from the direction of the study, as though I had left an electronic device on. I grabbed onto the door frame as I walked into the study to see paperwork as I had left it on the desk, and some additional items that I had not placed on the desk. I kept looking around this room and noticed that it was unkempt, messy and cluttered. It seems I had even left the computer on, which was showing some random mouse clicks on the blue screen and icons. This surprised me, but I remained calm so as not to get my mind caught up in what I was seeing/ witnessing and therefore find myself back in my body too soon.

From this room, I made my way into the lounge. I had to keep grabbing onto furniture as I made my way slowly towards that room. Once there, I was faced with the same image, one of an unkempt, untidy room. I felt the need to sit down while still looking around and taking it all in. I was not sure what this was about, but kept asking for help to understand what it all meant. I sat on the couch, supporting my head, while my arm extended on the armrest. I waited patiently to be shown what it all meant. My mind wanted to get engaged, to get involved, to try to solve this puzzle, this mystery. Instead, I simply waited.


A Feeling of Understanding

My patience paid off…Suddenly, a realisation filtered through, an understanding about what I was being shown, something I had to do, to keep abreast of.

I realised from the untidiness of the room and the bits and pieces of daily routines that remained behind, how I could lose my sense of self if I became too identified.

I felt that this experience was showing me that if I let myself be consumed by the events of daily life I could get lost in them as well as lost within all the tasks/jobs that need doing that may seem important at the time but are being done with a lack of awareness and self-observation. With this realisation I found myself back in my body. I felt that I had been given a clue about what to keep my focus on, what to keep working towards, and to use the techniques for self-observation, awareness, mindfulness, and other such practices I’d learned of from Belsebuub’s work more often throughout the day.

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  • Insightful experience Dimi and sharing it has given the rest of us more insight, reflection and resolve. Thank you!

    Wishing you the best.

  • Thanks for sharing Dimi.
    Patience really is a virtue which comes with experience and practice.
    A beautiful experience.

  • Hi Dimi.
    I found your experience very inspiring. I especially liked the part where you patiently waited to be shown what it all meant rather than making your own conclusion about the meaning of the experience. It must have been a big wake up call for you as it seems you were very clearly shown what you need to correct. I often reflect on this issue of being consumed by the events of daily life and yet the next thing I notice is observing myself doing just that. It takes a lot of understanding to correct something so prevalent in my life but with consistent reflection and the techniques that Belsebuub taught us I have the hope and faith that the liberation from this can happen.

  • Thank you Dimi, your experience really inspires me. How you just patiently waited for an answer and was able to stay in the astral long enough to receive one. This is very beautiful to me. I often feel too restless to do the same, but I want to practice this calm within myself, and not feel anxious and confused if nothing is happening. I guess there is some faith involved, a trust that an answer will come.

    • I also often have the same where if I wake up in the astral I have this rushing inner state like ‘I better need to make something out of this quickly before I’m back in my body.’ But that doesn’t seem to help the quality of the experience. Dimi’s example is much better 🙂
      I find being calm yet deliberate is much better if possible, though not always so easy.

  • What a useful lesson. As I was reading, I wondered where the experience was going to lead. It seemed a bit ominous at first.

    It’s interesting that the teaching you were looking for was right in front of your eyes, as you walked around your home. Thanks for sharing, Dimi!

  • Thank you very much Dimi for sharing this experience. Its almost like – you have revealed the meaning of another dream symbol! 😀 And even though of course, the dream symbols are often specific to the dreamer and their meaning may change from person to person or from situation to situation, I have a feeling that seeing a “mess” in the astral plane often relates to our internal mess. I remember having a dream like this before as well, and even though I intuitively understood it referred to my inner state, I kind of thought it was just an inner state during that particular lucid experience and didn’t make efforts to see how it related to my overall way of living.

    I also liked how to tried your best to stay calm and clear in this experience, genuinely searching for the answer.

  • Thanks Dimi, this was very interesting for me to read and reflect on. There was a similar-flavoured conversation on one thread about the difference between astral experiences when you feel ‘left to your own devices’, and the ones that are lightened with divine presence. It sounds like this was the former, but also incredibly valuable. It sounds like you were in a special situation, being shown the inner reality of the energy your surroundings were imbued with through your daily living. I can sometimes sense it when I’ve created a bad energy at home, and a good tidy up/clean/insense helps, but also working not to let it unravel through inner carelessness. It’s good you were able to remember to remain calm and focused, and in waiting for that insight it does sound as though you were able to tap into patience and a real asking.

    At the moment I work from home and I feel like it’s bringing an added challenge in learning how to maintain an order, both internal and external. I don’t have clear time frames, as in I can work at silly hours if I choose to, not like the structure that going to an office 9-5 brings. I’m grateful for this period, allowing me to find the ability to create order from within. The question of how to bring the inner work into my daily activities is a huge one, how to let something so unvalued by ‘normal life’, like your level of awareness, take priority over finishing a paid task … the demands of life so easily engulfs the fragile flame of the inner work, unless you really fight to put it as a top priority and realise that it can be alongside with you in everything that you do …

  • I also found it very nice to read how patient, concentrated and calm you were Dimi, just observing quietly and really trying to get to what the scenario was telling you. It seems clear that you are quite comfortable with the astral dimension to be able to do that. Often I feel a little unsettled when I’m there, anxious, like rushing almost. A few days ago for example I became lucid in some dreams but there were constantly people coming to stop me and that made me feel flustered. Even if there weren’t I was expecting them and that made me feel anxious and it seems like that then attracted them to me. I was walking somewhere and looked behind me, and there were two people who saw me and started coming at me, there was a feeling my anxiety pulled them to me.

    But I realised this was showing me how I deal with things during my daily life. There was a feeling of ‘Oh no, not again’, when I saw them coming. This feeling of being a victim, afraid I can’t deal with it, confused about overcoming obstacles, wishing things had been perfect so I could function (I would see everything perfectly in the astral, be able to move perfectly, nothing stopping me, etc.) But shouldn’t I just feel confident because I know the conjurations and that they work, that the astral people can do nothing to me? Just prepare them in my mind and use them calmly and not get so flustered? I also connected the feeling of rushing to a similar feeling I have during the day.

    Getting identified with daily events, going along with that train of the mind that just wants to get things done so it can do something pleasurable, has been something I’ve been noticing lately too. Today I noticed this very strong pull to get distracted while I was preparing food. Like someone was pulling me by then hand, let’s go this way, there is pleasure this way. Normally I might check my email or something while things are cooking and there is a spare moment, which then would easily get me sidetracked into other things. Today I tried to remember my goal to just calmly do the task I’m doing, then the next, be focused, not give into that desire for distraction, and I tried to see what was giving rise to it. I’m not sure that I did that very well at all, but it felt right. It felt so nice that I can just focus on what I’m doing without thinking about ten other things at the same time and trying to do lots of other things at the same time. I’ll try to improve on it tonight and tomorrow.

    Thank you for sharing Dimi!

    • Thanks for sharing Laura. I can relate to the feeling of doing things already thinking about the next things to do, and the hurried, horrid energy that can taint them all. Something I’m trying at the moment is to set myself a task to focus on, say a piece of work I have to do – then to do it without getting distracted, and to have an ‘awareness break’ afterwards, even just sitting outside for a few minutes. This really seems to help my day feel more ordered, when I can do it.

      It sounds like you’re starting to see a lot about your psychology through your astral experiences! It’s wonderful when we can start to use even the ‘bad’ experiences for inner development. It used to be that I would get disheartened with them, now I’m starting to get a more steely approach (after realising it really doesn’t serve me) and am trying to use the insights gained when I see my habits to break them down. Good luck! But yes, I have found that practising the conjurations before bed, especially if I notice any fear or anxiety related to the astral, really helps to use them better ‘in action’.

    • That goal of simply calmly doing the task you’re doing sounds very nice to me and it’s something I am looking into currently. It’s not so easy for me. Many tasks just seem ‘boring’ and ‘in the way’ when I’m already on a train or this drive for a pleasure or goal. I find it difficult to really say to myself, in a strong enough way that it works, concentrating on this task is your goal right now. I’ve seen that doing that halfheartedly hasn’t yielded good enough results.

      But it’s part of a bigger thing imo. As I think that psychologically and in the way people grow up nowadays, we’re addicted to pleasure as a way of life. Also I find goals and such in my mind a very important thing, but if the ego’s take it over with their own energy it seems to run over everything else.

      A funny thing I noticed, well not so funny, was that at work I could be trying to be aware quite well and such. But when that’s over and I get changed, travel home, eat, clean up etc. all of that is just done subconsciously in this train of going through the motions. Until it’s all finished and done and I start a practice where I find myself ‘back.’ (bit black and white that example, but the point is true.)

      Improving my concentration on what I’m doing (instead of being in the mind somewhere) is something I’m looking to improve. Has some great benefits as well!

    • Thank you for sharing so much Laura, it gives me a lot of insights, reading your experiences. I’m also trying to gently focus on my tasks during the day, there does seem to be a peace in it. Almost like a relief, not having to think so much. My problem is always my emotions. Especially some time in the middle of the day, when I’m a bit more tired and I have less energy to fight and keep going. I’ve also felt that pull, almost like someone is dragging me towards pleasures and escape. I guess I just don’t want to feel myself for a while, disappear for a bit. But….not sure where I’m going with this lol. Just helps to write and reflect….but it seems I just have to keep going. I mean, I would like to develop the strength and habit of just doing the thing anyway, even when I’m tired and it’s hard and I just don’t feel like it.

      Sometimes I feel a bit of peace, feeling closer to my Divine Mother, like we’re in the fight together. I’m not alone.

  • Very interesting experience. I was particularly impressed by your emphasis on patience and observation to deal with the situation. Thanks for sharing.

  • Thanks for sharing these experiences Dimi. I’ve also found it can be easy to become identified with activities during the day, particularly if I’m eager to get them completed within a certain time. So it’s good to be reminded of the importance of observing within, whatever the situation.

  • It’s interesting to read your experience now Dimi as I was just reflecting on a very similar thing today. For a big part of the day I did ‘get lost’ in the things I needed to do today, the chores, the tasks, the groceries. I noticed it most at the point when I was doing the dishes. In my mind and especially emotions I was already set on the next thing I wanted to do, so with that target already on my radar the chore I was doing at the time became an unpleasant thing that I just wanted to get over with and the thing I was looking forward to the pleasure to go after. Being already in that pendulum, and mixed energy I didn’t truly have it as my goal to be aware of doing the dishes, to enjoy it.

    Your experience is a nice reminder for me, so thanks. I feel it’s something I need to keep making sure I work at. I mean I’ve got my to-do list for the day (including checkboxes 😉 ), got my goals, but it’s so easy to still, somewhere along the way lose the focus on the inner.

    The way this teaching came to you seems very magical Dimi, with you keeping serene and patient. I could also relate to the difficulties of moving around over there which you described well.

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